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hideyuki

01-28-2010, 01:11 AM

Hello everybody,

it is with deep regret that we have to inform you that both our sites (Tokyo Babes (http://ww.tokyo-babes.net) and Woman Inside (http://www.w-inside.com)) will be taken offline at the end of February.
Since yesterday we stopped any new transaction with CCBill.
The reason? Well, it just didn't work :o.

Anyhow, we'd like to thank those of you that with their comments and suggestions tried to improve our sites, unfortunately there were too many and too hard obstacles (like censored content and shameless cheaters :mad:- IB and APA) to get over that it would have been simply overkilling to keep on.

Maybe we shall get back in the future, with better contents, tools and knowledge. Who knows? :cool:

We wish you all the best
Hideyuki & Tommy

jscott

01-28-2010, 06:40 AM

Very very sad news man :( I have a couple of questions........ if you don't mind.....

1. what will you do with those domains?
2. what is IB and APA?
3. will you guys move on to doing anything else now? just shut the doors and that's it? I'm just curious.

Sad news man, hope everything will workout for you and Tommy.

Druid

01-28-2010, 10:14 AM

You are giving up to fast in my opinion.
Are the bills really so big that it makes running sites not worthy?
I was satisfied with your support, to bad so nice guys are leaving biz.
D.

jscott

01-28-2010, 02:29 PM

I totally agree with Druid :(

hideyuki

01-29-2010, 12:03 AM

Thank you for your kind words.

@jscott
1) w-inside.com will be kept, no idea about tokyo-babes.net
I read here and there about people selling domains, but at our company we haven't talked about this option yet. If I ask my boss, he'd reply he'd sell it for thousands of dollars. Speaking for myself, it would be for a few hundred bucks, not more.
2) Two hints:
a) misuzu (http://www.w-inside.com/fhg/053misuzu_wi/) b) misuzu (http://www.juicyasia.com/angel/Misuzu/7843/0/)
a) iori (http://www.tokyo-babes.net/index.php/asakusa/70-iori) b) iori (http://www.idols69.com/set/iori/iori-is-a-japanese-tramp-who/)
This is our stuff, we film it, we retouch it or edit it, we sell it. It's ours, only ours. Hundreds of galleries ripped of, logo removed or replaced, and that useless dmca procedure that protects them (yes, it protects the cheater in the end). Unfortunately I am not the owner, otherwise I would send them all straight to jail (it's easy after all, they don't have any 2257 whatsoever..)
Those two sites (and others as well) are just ripping dvd, stealing pictures and resell them. They're taking advantage of a stupid regulation (dmca) and of the fact that having a lawyer costs you more than you can get back. End of the rant, sorry :(.
3) We'll keep running our Japanese sites (the source of the contents for Tokyo Babes and Woman Inside), waiting for the right time to get back on track. Even other western-targeting-japanese-sites (cannot say the name) aren't doing very well with non-censored contents, it's a matter of time but in the meantime it's less expensive to step back for a while.

The point is that to get enough customers, you need lots of surfers, and to get lots of surfers you need lots of promotional material. If you get it for free (e.g. steal it), it's easy. Otherwise it requires some economic efforts to keep up with the competitors, and we prefer to save our resources for more effective strategies, at least for the moment.

It's too soon, maybe, but here we are used to stop trying new stuff (that seems not working well) after only a week :rolleyes:

KOMAJI

01-29-2010, 07:23 AM

Wow... Sorry to hear this guys. You had great sites.

Maybe it is just a matter of delivery. Please hit me up. I may also have a lead for you for piracy detection/legal routes that are being employed with success...

I expect more and more sites will be coming down so don't give up hope. Please tell your Boss that. Right now is a great period of transition, but you should still be able to make it work.

Please to consider.
K

P.s. Hey DRuid! Hit me up! por favor.senor.

shunga

01-29-2010, 02:52 PM

a) misuzu (http://www.w-inside.com/fhg/053misuzu_wi/) b) misuzu (http://www.juicyasia.com/angel/Misuzu/7843/0/)
a) iori (http://www.tokyo-babes.net/index.php/asakusa/70-iori) b) iori (http://www.idols69.com/set/iori/iori-is-a-japanese-tramp-who/)
This is our stuff, we film it, we retouch it or edit it, we sell it. It's ours, only ours. Hundreds of galleries ripped of, logo removed or replaced

I think people in this business really need to have a long hard think about sending to idolbucks. You want legit JAV sites? Then support them. And stop supporting sites that are outright taking their content. Quite frankly it's an insult that they have a button right next to this thread.

jscott

01-29-2010, 03:21 PM

Thanks hideyuki for the great explaination, wow, so they are ripping you plain and clearly there :( fuck
please take Komaji's advice, and maybe you can find way to keep TB open, I would love to hear that

jscott

01-29-2010, 03:22 PM

Quite frankly it's an insult that they have a button right next to this thread.
it's gone in T-5......4.......3........

2.....

shunga

01-29-2010, 05:18 PM

it's gone in T-5......4.......3........

2.....

That's good to see, and well done on making that stand.

And to the OP, there are avenues that will keep these people tied up to the point they'll at least leave your material alone. It will take a monthly fee to the people concerned, but well worth it if you're interested.

And contact me if you want to discuss other options. I'd be glad to work with you to maximise what you want to do.

KOMAJI

01-29-2010, 05:55 PM

Now things are rolling to the positive...

I never thought I would see the day....

Asian Webbie

01-29-2010, 10:11 PM

To see a site going out of biz, partially because of sites that are blatantly stealing directly from them, we wont be pushing sites like that from this board

avrevenue

01-30-2010, 12:42 PM

hideyuki

02-01-2010, 12:16 AM

Well, first of all, many many thanks to everybody for your comforting words (and action, bold movement removing the banner!).

As I said, we are going to remove just the "english" sites, we aren't going out of business completely :)

At the same time I don't want to waste the knowledge and the contacts I acquired during these months, thus I shall talk my boss into considering some form of promotion for our Japanese sites.
The fact is that the managers here don't like (i.e, don't know) affiliate programs much, and maybe we'd have to come up with something different but equally effective.

I'll let you know, I don't want to disappear! :)

Thanks you all guys

shunga

02-09-2010, 04:42 PM

And one last thought; if you haven't done so already, please contact CCBill, listing all the copyright infringements. The two sites are run by the same people, and it's high time they were taken down after ripping so many people in this business off. Enough complaints and CCBill will have to drop them, and whoever else they're billing with.

hideyuki

02-09-2010, 11:14 PM

Already done 4 times (with Epoch, too). And as you see they're still there. There's no clear definition of the so-called "repeating infringers", it's discretional to the ISP. 2 times? 10 times? 1000 times? Bad laws, bad players..

shunga

02-10-2010, 06:20 AM

And the content you quoted earlier is still up?

I can put you in touch with people that will be all over their backsides month after month and they might just have the contacts to make CCBill and Epoch take notice. It's a $500 a month fee, but they're good at what they do.

hideyuki

02-12-2010, 11:28 PM

And the content you quoted earlier is still up?

More. When we told IB to remove the pictures, they either hid the html (temporary) or re-branded the pics :eek:

The solution you suggest is perfect, it kind of reminds me of the "cobrador do fraque (http://www.elcobradordelfrac.com/)", I wish I was my boss and decide to go for it :D

If CCBill/Epoch want, they can (because it's in the contract) ask APA/BI (and the others) to provide them with all the documentation referred to their contents to verify they're legit or not. Probably they have very good ($$$) reasons for not doing it.

Many thanks to the DMCA that allows them to do this freely..

shunga

02-15-2010, 03:25 PM

More. When we told IB to remove the pictures, they either hid the html (temporary) or re-branded the pics :eek:

The solution you suggest is perfect, it kind of reminds me of the "cobrador do fraque (http://www.elcobradordelfrac.com/)", I wish I was my boss and decide to go for it :D

If CCBill/Epoch want, they can (because it's in the contract) ask APA/BI (and the others) to provide them with all the documentation referred to their contents to verify they're legit or not. Probably they have very good ($$$) reasons for not doing it.

Many thanks to the DMCA that allows them to do this freely..

I hear you on the hired legals thing. It's hard to convince people that spending money on that will pay for itself many times over in the long run.

Long ago CCBill used to give you an account manager. That's probably something they've long dropped quietly but you could enquire with them if you have one, and if you don't request someone to be assigned to you. I think it helps having someone familiar with you and your business, rather than random people coming in and out.

If enough people that are being ripped off keep hitting CCBill and Epoch with DMCA's that should get their attention. But I have the feeling 99% aren't even aware of what's happening.

Are you sending copies of the DMCA's to their hosts? You can go right up the bandwidth chain and make tons of trouble if you have to. But I'd first go to their host.

desert10

03-10-2010, 09:01 AM

I think people in this business really need to have a long hard think about sending to idolbucks. You want legit JAV sites? Then support them. And stop supporting sites that are outright taking their content. Quite frankly it's an insult that they have a button right next to this thread.

Where can one find out which JAV sites are legit? I had no idea about idolbucks, I've been promoting their sites from a few of my blogs. After reading this thread I am going to start removing everything of theirs. And which sites beside idolbucks are the culprits? Please spill the beans so that I and hopefully others can support legit JAV & legit honest sites.

KOMAJI

03-10-2010, 10:24 AM

I've been telling people for awhile. At first people were polite but ignored me. Then they became rude and ignored me...
Now, IB is putting out promo content with my site names in the urls... at least to me they are...its the truth.

What you saw with woman-inside was a legit company trying to produce unique content and make it available to gaijin. I doubt you will see it again.

DTI is LEGIT.
Anything on my DVD site is LEGIT. (Thats how I first learned that IB was ripping off content. They ARE releasing movies within a month of DVD release. That will never happen outside Japanese and AVBox channels. NEVER, unless you are willing to pay high license fees. IB was so bold the actually put the dvd cat number in their urls.
THIRDWORLDXXX is LEGIT
SHUNGA is LEGIT
WEBGURL is LEGIT
METHODCASH Japanese stuff is LEGIT.

Who am I missing?

avrevenue

03-11-2010, 12:17 AM

KOMAJI

03-11-2010, 12:24 AM

You, aight, Shunga-baby....
:D

shunga

03-11-2010, 03:38 PM

Where can one find out which JAV sites are legit?

I think Komaji has most of the legit JAV sites covered.

There are some JAV sites out there from the "big players", but you know what you're going to get out of them. I would really like to see people in the niche promoting the legit Asian specialists, people that know the niche.

The issue we have is that IB can put out a lot of promo content, and it's difficult to compete with that. While they can rip a set and clip off the identifying stamp the rest of us have to get legit items. But if you're promoting videos there's a fair bit put out there by legit JAV sponsors.

If we could clear out all of the forums, all of the file sharing, and wean people off IB, then we'd see much healthier JAV options, and more money in all our pockets.

desert10

03-15-2010, 02:04 PM

A few more to ask about :

asia movie pass

sex asian 18

actionjav

& another one I think called busty asians lusoporno ?

shunga

03-15-2010, 03:11 PM

AMP I believe is legit.

SexAsian18.com fully complies with 18 U.S.C. 2257 and the regulations promulgated there under. All models that appear in any visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct (as that term is defined in 18 U.S.C. 2256) appearing or otherwise contained in this website were at least eighteen years old at the time of the creation of such depictions. All other visual depictions displayed on this website are exempt from the record keeping requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257 because those visual depictions do not consist of depictions of "sexually explicit conduct" as defined by 18 U.S.C. 2256, or are depictions of simulated sexual conduct, or are otherwise exempt because the visual depictions were created prior to July 3, 1995. The owners and operators of this website are not the primary producer (as that term is defined in 28 C.F.R. 75.1(c) (2)) of any of the visual content contained in this website. However, in recognizing the critical importance of preventing minors from appearing on the SexAsian18.com website, SexAsian18.com AV does not rely solely on the 18 U.S.C. 2257 representations of others, and therefore may have copies of records of the ages of those persons portrayed in any sexually explicit materials on this site. SexAsian18.com will not release these records to anyone other than the attorney general of the United States or his designated representative, or as otherwise required by operation of law. In fulfilling its obligations under 18 U.S.C. 2257, SexAsian18.com relies on the plain language of the statute and on the well-reasoned decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit in Sundance Associates, Inc. v. Reno, 139 F.3d 804, 808 (10th Cir 1998), which held that entities which have no role in the "hiring, contracting for, managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation" of the models or performers, are exempt from the record-keeping requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257.

By virtue of their locale the producers of the adult entertainment contained in this website do not fall under the jurisdiction of American law. The producers of this website have taken it upon themselves to voluntarily comply with United States law concerning 18 United States Code 2257 and 28 Consolidated Federal Regulations Part 75 in order to assure those that are bound by these United States laws and regulations, that all visual depictions displayed on this website, whether of actual sexually explicit conduct, simulated sexual conduct or otherwise, are visual depictions of persons who were at least 18 years of age when those visual depictions were created. Government issued photographic identification confirming the foregoing is held by the Custodian of Records listed below. Such identification may or may not have been issued by the state or federal government of the USA.

All pictures, graphics, videos or other visual media displayed on this Website are exempt from the provision of 18 U.S.C. section 2257 and 28 C.F.R. 75 because said visual media do not consist of depictions of conduct as specifically listed in 18 U.S.C section 2256 (2) (A) through (D), but are merely depictions of non-sexually explicit nudity, or are depictions of simulated sexual conduct.

The owners and operators of this Website are not the primary producers (as that term is defined in 18 USC section 2257 or subsequent case law defining such) of any of the sexually explicit visual content contained in the Website. Currently, no sexually explicit materials as defined by the aforementioned U.S.C. sections are produced or presented by the owners and operators of this website.

ActionJAV relies on the plain language of the statute and on the well-reasoned decision of the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit in Sundance Associates, Inc. v. Reno, 139 F.3d 804, 808 (10th Cir 1998), which held that entities which have no role in the "hiring, contracting for, managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation" of the models or performers, are exempt from the record-keeping requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257.

That should tell you all you need to know.

Lusoporno, from what I recall, is also dirty. But I'd have to see the site again.

jscott

03-15-2010, 11:03 PM

Yea I'm curious too about SexAsian18, they seem very similar to jsex though, i'd guess they aren't legit?

shunga

03-16-2010, 12:30 AM

Yea I'm curious too about SexAsian18, they seem very similar to jsex though, i'd guess they aren't legit?

They basically say 2257 doesn't apply to us. That's a dead giveaway.

KOMAJI

03-16-2010, 04:05 AM

If you have any, use it.
First thing I do is check the 2257 page.

If it says things like:
2257 does not apply to us.
My address is in Cyprus, Gibraltar, Antartica...
Cut and paste sources from other sites.

Take a look at the legitimate sites posted above and compare...
Legit content providers are not hiding like IB types or giving dodgy 2257 BS.

Rumor has it that Brazzers was sold to same German company who owns xtube...

Anyone can confirm?

jscott

03-23-2010, 04:15 PM

Damn :(
http://www.tokyo-babes.net/ and http://www.w-inside.com/

KOMAJI

03-23-2010, 04:29 PM

Sometimes people kill the things they love...

Druid

03-23-2010, 04:57 PM

Yea I'm curious too about SexAsian18, they seem very similar to jsex though, i'd guess they aren't legit?

if i remember correctly i found on their fhgs many graphis sets, but i don't remember well.

shunga

03-23-2010, 07:45 PM

Here's the thing. If you were in the business ten years ago Japanese content was practically impossible to license. And even then what was around was low quality. If you were around then you know how it was. Now there is no excuse for a program to be ripping content. It's out there to license, and the doors are at least ajar to form business relationships.

What IB are doing goes beyond what went on ten years ago. It's on an entirely different scale. What we're talking about here is industrial scale ripping, and hiding behind DMCA and processors that don't have their eyes on the ball. And coupled with that an organisation that has been caught ripping submitted galleries.

As program owners it was bad enough when IB had one site. Now it's a program with, what, eight sites? When competing for advertising space on affiliates sites we're screwed. It really is that simple. You have eight sites under one program, pumping a ton of promo material out there, when they can simply grab what they want, strip out identifying stamps and rebrand it.

Now, as an affiliate you might think, eight sites, $75 per signup, what do I have to lose?

Apart from the obvious issues, not having 2257, the danger that the sites will have to be pulled down thus losing links and any recurring, you have a lot to lose.

We're at a point where, as I mentioned, the doors are opening, and we have opportunities to develop this niche. We can potentially do terrific things. But unless the copyright holders are rewarded that door will close. No one legit is going to invest money and resources into this when the game is stacked against them from the start.

What I'm asking people to do is think about the consequences of where we are right now, and instead of hitting the quick buck, support people that are doing this the right way. Because it's those people, and not the IB's of this world, that will move this niche forward.

jscott

03-23-2010, 08:02 PM

The way things are going with tubes and free content, stolen content, etc, I think (generally speaking) most affiliates are trying to maintain their income/profits, and the only way of doing this is promoting sites that convert.

Most of the converting sites are the illegal sites, it's sad but I/you/we all know it's the truth.
And with that said, there is no way to really stop so many affiliates from pushing those sites to make them not profitable to those sites, it's impossible, I think things need to be done at a larger level, I mean, blatant stealing of content like Redtube, Tube8, Pornhub, etc are some of the biggest sites in the world and they are allowed by current internet regulations to steal right in front of everyones face, in front of the worlds face, what kind of example is that setting!!!!

Adult industry is in the worst, and saddest state I've ever seen or thought imaginable. :(

shunga

03-23-2010, 09:01 PM

I can understand why affiliates do it, but understand the nature of these people, dig a little to do that, and ask yourself do you want to become dependant on them? You can't complain about shady sponsors when right out of the box you know the sponsor is shady.

It's become more of an issue now because of the scale of the IB operation. And that's what people need to really think about. As it is they will choke off competition, and you're going to be left with a bunch of crooks who care zero for anything but maximising their profits.

The situation is reaching the point something will have to be done about them, so everyone should bear that in mind when making their decisions. We're not investing time and resources into legit JAV sites for the fun of it. And people will not stand around and let these people frankly laugh at them with their thieving behaviour.

desert10

03-24-2010, 10:21 AM

The way things are going with tubes and free content, stolen content, etc, I think (generally speaking) most affiliates are trying to maintain their income/profits, and the only way of doing this is promoting sites that convert.

Most of the converting sites are the illegal sites, it's sad but I/you/we all know it's the truth.

I think that's a short term view and a lot us have to start taking a long term view. About what is best for the future.

It's become more of an issue now because of the scale of the IB operation. And that's what people need to really think about. As it is they will choke off competition, and you're going to be left with a bunch of crooks who care zero for anything but maximising their profits.

Isn't there a post on this board about IB conversion ratios steadily worsening? Is it already happening ? ...